he said, if you can, dennis, i don't want to do war. i don't want to do war. >> did you say why don't you pick up the phone and call president obama? >> it's a different story because guess what? the kid's only 20 years old. 28. >> by the way, we think kim jong-un is about 30 years old, but we'll give rodman some credit for getting close at least. john avlon and fran townsend join me now. you wrote a critical essay. a lot of people were joking about how funny the two look together. >> i'm sure it's a lot of fun, a great way to see north korea, watch a basketball game, get drunk with the dictator's enter rajai, but 3.5 million people have starved to death. he didn't experience the north korea the vast majority of the citizens. there is a moral koens quens that comes with that kind of a decision. >> apparently, a part of a big feast. all right, fran, dennis rodman actually dismisses the charges of mass starvation and nuclear war and things like that. he says that was kim jong-un's father talking. let's listen. >> i didn't look at all the